Carson Pace of The Callous Daoboys reveals the creativity, experiments and madness behind “I Don’t Want to See You in Heaven (2025),” track by track.

Carson dives deep on the band’s evolving (and very cinematic) sound, explaining their boldest musical explorations and sharing the personal stories of how they got there.

We talk about speed of thought, artistic vulnerability, turning a loud brain into something beautiful and what it means to completely reinvent yourself, using heartbreak as fuel.

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